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you're listening to skep tide I'm Brian

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Dunning from sceptile calm the Naga

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fireballs during the full moon reaching

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you have to download and river what boy

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he has a podcast straordinario that's

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 64 the 11th of December

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2009 with apologies to Brian Dunning and

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many thanks to Carrie I win for helping

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me out with that silly bit at the

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beginning of the show on this week's

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show we have an interview with a good

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friend of Australian skeptics in fact he

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was skeptic of the year and about all

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2002 I think dr. Paul Willis now many

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people in Australia will know dr. Paul

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Willis he's one of the reporters on the

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catalyst television program the science

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program we'll be chatting to Paul very

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soon after that we have dr. Reggie

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reports and she'll be chatting to dr.

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Adam Hamlin from the Queensland Brain

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Institute all about brain cells and

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diseases and all that sort of thing and

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after that we have the think tank so sit

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back have a nice glass of cognac why not

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and enjoy this episode of the skeptic

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dr. Paul Willis certainly known to many

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Australian listeners is a reporter on

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the ABCs flagship science program

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catalyst Paul has a PhD in paleontology

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and while I could wrap it on about Paul

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for ages he's also skeptic of the year

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look if you google dr. Paul witless

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you'll find his page and there's

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actually a little video there telling

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you all about himself by himself if you

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see what I mean I caught up with Paul

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Willis at the offices of the ABC

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television center and i press the wrong

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button on my recording unit so apologies

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for the slight loss of quality during

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this interview but the interview is

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pretty interesting nevertheless and

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we've come to the ABC we're talking with

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dr. Paul Willis now dr. Paul you're

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currently working for catalyst the

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sideshow aren't you I am indeed most of

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my time is segment with catalyst but

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they around to various bits and pieces

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all throughout the ABC network or what

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we're one big extremely happy family I

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get that impression you certainly aren't

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and certainly catalyst is what the

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flagship sideshow of the ABCs we can

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happily say that we are the most

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outstanding science program in the

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country simply because there really

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isn't any competition we're one of the

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few science magazines in fact I think

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any other country has a science magazine

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program anymore that format the idea

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that you take half an hour or an hour of

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stories in that side it used to be quite

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involved if you go back 20 years or so

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tomorrow's world in England what that

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was can five or six years ago so wear

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something of a dinosaur but we're

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actually showing through the audience

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following that we have that in fact

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there really is a market there is an NN

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need for science on television in that

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format oh I think so and now it's just

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number two or three years ago you

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actually repeated the BBC show which was

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James Randi testing homeopathy it wasn't

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that a huge ratings winner for that did

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very well in that slot now I'm you're

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for the 2001 2002 that long ago that was

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one of our first plans yeah that's

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indignant and speaking of you is to have

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nice days really know you remember that

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yes I'm pleased um speaking about going

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back years and years and something i

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really really want to talk to you about

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this before the podcast before all that

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sort of stuff before the skeptics owns

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kept toward the skeptics guide of the

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universe you were putting together a

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series of short segments on skepticism

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meant for broadcast they were called the

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correct file yeah looked at genesis of

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embarrassment to be honest what year we

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talk we're talking nineteen nineteen

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ninety-six late nineteen ninety-six wow

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because I'd been invited in for an

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interview for a position as a science

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broadcast trainee and it only actually

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actually ask me well what would you like

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particularly big on television yeah it's

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probably the biggest thing on television

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because there's a list we were nonsense

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about psychics and UFOs and

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cryptozoology and all that crap i'm

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using crapping context they're so

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surprised and I difficult and and so I

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thought okay if they ask me I'll say

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call it the correct files and it it's a

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skeptical look nonsense and irrational

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and so if you could stop correct the

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correct files was apply on the air the x

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mark and I literally thought it up on

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the train on the way in Real's of you

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for the job and a couple of weeks later

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in early 97 I got a phone call saying

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well you've been successful

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congratulations you are you on one of

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the trainees and ID barely been in the

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job a week when one of the guys prague

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the nasty who was a triple j at that

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he turned around I mean he said I really

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like that idea you had about the cracks

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triple j mmm because you say no to

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anything at all you're in trouble you

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problems you know I had no radio skills

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production for editing we did I did the

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embarrassment of wanting to look like I

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knew what I was talking about the job

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interview but you chose the skeptical

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now this is the exciting thing all those

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episodes are archived and anybody can go

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re X and there they all are yeah well

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first year I was slated to go to the

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scored iment and that's all up on the

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incredible the sorts of things some

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people actually entered it in a very

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serious time the other people took it in

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the town that it was meant to have look

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just blab and the thing is is that when

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you go through your fund that if there

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cracks files originally was we did a

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psychic test and this was actually where

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assistance the Australians kept yes we

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organized the test that we could promote

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as part of the correct files initial

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round of shows and that was a psychic

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test I took for common objects and i

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sealed them up in boxes and I went round

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to cover psychics and said is this a

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doable test can you tell me what's in

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these boxes and they said yes is it

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possible for people listening to our

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program to predict what's in these boxes

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they said they shouldn't be private you

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can do it a number of ways that was the

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one that blew me away yeah we could

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actually do it by clairvoyance and go

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a box or we could just simply see

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gonna get creamed here and and and the

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results of that test to rule out there

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bull roar of guessing what these objects

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were it's interesting you should put

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those methods to me because I

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memory that was James term bubble is it

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to to spring things on people too

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unprepared and so and i actually think

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it makes the case stronger if you get

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permission from the other party to be

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involved our front right and so I said

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to Simon before when I said look Simon

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I've got a very simple test that I want

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to do on air with you are you interested

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he said no problem it'll be dead easy

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and I said okay all I've put something

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in this envelope you tell me what it is

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and we went through it and he felt the

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envelope all the way through the

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interview and at the end of it he said

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it's something to do with space and we

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opened it and it was a lottery ticket

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yeah but it was one of the scratch

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lottery tickets and it were I can't

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remember what the theme was but parlor

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coloring was a sort of metallicy

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culinary silvery Halle on the thing he

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said there you go that's it see is

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metallic that means spice and it was

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like I how much more rope do you have to

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give these bastards before they hang

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themselves really through the cracks

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files I must have found every major

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psychic in the country you know we've

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found that people who claim to be

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psychics to Diana a lady died and all

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those sort of stuff not one of them

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answered the phone directly they all had

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answering machines how much faith can

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any human being put on the psychic their

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needs an answering machine I mean they

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should be able to work with the bloody

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phones with the ringer turned off yes an

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answer at the site Paul I know what your

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question is you know they don't actually

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have some faith in it but seriously

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you're right and but the come back they

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always come and say is part doesn't work

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that way how does it bloody work you're

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the psychic and and of course the

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mirrors yesterday when this is the this

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is the frustration not only dealing with

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them but like I've done a lot of work

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against the creation you have and my

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predecessor my PhD supervisor mark

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Archer he gave me the phrase that it's

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like nailing chili to a wall and that's

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the same with the psychics doesn't

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matter how much you try and say look

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let's analyze what it is you claim that

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you can do let's take a serious look at

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what you've got they will always try and

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find wriggle room to get out of course

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that I will never admit oh I must be

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from yeah yeah and and Dawkins makes

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this point about science and to be

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honest I think he makes it in a bit of a

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we'll see way

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that the strength of science is that we

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can theoretically at least admit when

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we're wrong yeah I've seen plenty of

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Silas who don't do yeah but that is

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actually a theoretical strength of

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science that when we are shown to be

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wrong we we will admit that we're and

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comes out in the wash eventually and it

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came as a great shock to me how that

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doesn't apply in most other areas of

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reality it certainly doesn't apply in

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politics yeah and people you know

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involved as psychics or creationists or

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the anti-vaccination network and

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homeopathy and let's go through that

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whole list of people that we deal with

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that concept of them being wrong is

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never anywhere in their minds I actually

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find that quite frightening yeah yeah

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you're absolutely right and the

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reasoning and the mental gymnastics i

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will put themselves through upon the

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failure of a test it's it's the most

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classic example is the excuses the water

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dividers and they fail and those excuses

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a rich beyond measure and small Sagan

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might say full beyond measure and

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inventive but it's all the brain trying

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to protect itself mm-hmm you see what I

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mean that's fascinating well I and

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learning back to what I did say earlier

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you know science isn't immune from that

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kind of thinking and a human what is

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it's done by humans and to me one of the

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weaknesses of science is the fact that

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it won't admit that it's done by humans

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and so you get a lot of debates

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lingering on when they shouldn't because

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one side simply can't turn around and

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say okay look I know I've devoted my

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career to a particular proposition and

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my working life has been spent working

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in that field but I can't say that it's

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all wrong because it's my life you know

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yeah and there's a number of debates I

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think for instance the out of africa vs

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the map and regional hypothesis for

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human origins is a classic case there

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are a number of diehards in the in the

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multi-regional hypothesis

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they won't lie down and say die it

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doesn't matter what you present to them

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and it's it's it's AMV scientific it's

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non-scientific yeah but it's perfectly

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human yeah and I and I think that this

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is a dimension that's all too often lost

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in philosophers of science is they just

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keep thinking that no we could do better

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we can't we're only human well Paul what

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a pleasure it's been to catch up with

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you again we must do it more often have

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another cleansing ale and another chat

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but I just like just one why just one

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just before we wind it up I'm really

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keen that the listeners go and check out

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the correct files because let's see how

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many of them are there there was 1997

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and 1998 another 20 or produced each

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year when you know and all sorts of

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things talking to a psychic faces in

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space ancient technology good drugs

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future either Bible Code superstitions

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alternative medicines in there somewhere

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dreams energy amazing devices James

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Randi it's the show goes throughout 10

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minutes of Papa's know about five about

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five minutes and lovely bite-size chunks

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of skeptical investigations information

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you interview all sorts of people I well

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remember the one you did when you were

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interviewing an Egyptologist about her

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opinion whether the pyramids were

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constructed by alien so folks the

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correct files once again wwa BCE tu /

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science / correct cor are X and fall I

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certainly hope that you may be able to

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join us for the 2010 skeptics convention

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that sounds like a lot of fun if I get

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half a chance i'll be there excellent

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yeah aight guys i was talking to Richard

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solvency today all right he said if we

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record a trailer for our podcast

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skeptics with a que he'd play it on

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their own vessel that's nice of him

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that's very generous it's pretty good

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i'm not sure what we could do though I

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mean well suppose you tell people the

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shows about but it's basically this yeah

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like yeah but you know we talk about

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science and skepticism and things that's

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that's true that's fuzzier you mentioned

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the website address what merseyside

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skeptics todo UK yeah yeah just like

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searches night UN's oh and then we could

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end with like a big song like the

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skeptics with okay god no no no no don't

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don't do that now it's time for dr.

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hello listeners and welcome to dr.

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Richie reports this week I talked to

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another scientist working in the field

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in medical research dr. Adam Hamlin is a

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neuroscientist working in the nerve cell

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survival lab at the University of

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Queensland I met Adam at the recent

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skeptics convention in Brisbane and here

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Adam kindly takes me on a tour of his

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lab where he explains about his research

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into neurodegeneration and Alzheimer's

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disease so we're now walking into the

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foyer of the Queensland brain is to do

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um it's very immersive it's so I always

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got this for storing higher up with you

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by Fiona hall okay so famous Australian

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artist all right well let's go through

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the security hot off Hannah SWAT too

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soon

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so very high-tech here isn't it it is a

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good and so we're at the queensland

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university because it's the annual

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australian skeptics convention this

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weekend to you and so the conference is

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being held around the corner popular to

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life so this is the level are my

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soluta see so we're at level 6 away

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that's quick um so we have we work on

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the brain of everything from worms right

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through the humans here if it flies and

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bees and you're looking at outsiders is

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that your primary area of research so

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our lab is looking at neurodegeneration

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and Alzheimer's is a form of dementia

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isn't it yes one common and it is going

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to be a serious problem in the future

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you really don't want to be 20 or 30

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years old today because by about twenty

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fifty when that generation is getting

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older and stuffs get neurodegenerative

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diseases and the population is aging but

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also we're not having children anymore

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so we've had low birth rates with an

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aging population we're going to get

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neurodegenerative diseases so unless we

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really find something to help people

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ignore degeneration we're going to be in

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serious trouble so we've come into your

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research analysis are just the areas

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where this was the bench science goes up

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a lot of people I think of science lab

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has been very clean and pristine but so

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you'll see they're busy places in this

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we've got a lot of benches around us

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with lots of chemicals or short models

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and localism books is this your bench

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here yeah this is my Benji I'll work on

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a mouse model of our summers disease

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when we're trying to understand the

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mechanisms of the degeneration and we

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have a theory that the amyloid which is

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a component of

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oscommerce disease and which is the

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marker of people have our summers

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disease on autopsy they have also has an

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amyloid plaque in the file it's kind of

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like a tangle of protein yeah it's a

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mention that so we're actually looking

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at the stage of the amyloid before it

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turns into this large kilometer of

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protein in a soluble form and we have a

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theory that this is interacting with the

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particular receptor in a particular part

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of the broiler that's actually causing

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the degeneration and I use mice as my

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model and I inject amyloid proteins into

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the brain and I measure degeneration by

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visualizing parts of the brain using

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process called immunohistochemistry okay

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where we use an antibody that recognizes

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the circle shape of a protein and I soak

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the brains in this antibody and then I

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can visualize it so I can look at it

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under the microscope and actually

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physically see what's happening in cycle

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so you actually have to harvest the

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brain first and then you slice it very

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finely yes so yes I have to harvest the

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brains from the mice then I slice them

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up I slice them up into 40 micron slices

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which is 125th of a millimeter we use a

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really really really sharp life to do

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that it's a knife contained within its

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machine motion animated not actually

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just know I'm just a kitchen knife it's

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a very nice machine we can see some of

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the machines on the way out there on

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level 4 we have a histology sweep that

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has all the different knives where we

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can cut anything from nanometer sections

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to use an electron microscopy our right

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00:24:20,430 --> 00:24:17,980
three to the large well relatively large

542
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:20,440
sections that I do a 40 microns so how

543
00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:22,780
big can you describe to Alice's what a

544
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:24,220
mouse brain being when you take you out

545
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:25,690
of this how much brain is about it's

546
00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:27,370
about a centimeter long so it's the kind

547
00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:29,260
of as big as your thumb now maybe yeah

548
00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:32,140
about that size it's very small but my

549
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:34,120
section we have all the same brain areas

550
00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:37,090
that a human has it has all the same you

551
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:39,100
are transmitters all the same proteins

552
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:42,190
so we can use mice to model the

553
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:45,130
mechanisms of how amyloid is killing

554
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:46,330
brain cells

555
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:48,610
should relate to humans but one of the

556
00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:50,529
problems without summers in humans is

557
00:24:55,639 --> 00:24:54,070
that you can't really diagnose it as its

558
00:24:57,690 --> 00:24:55,649
occurring can you it's really only

559
00:25:00,090 --> 00:24:57,700
post-mortem or when people die that you

560
00:25:01,529 --> 00:25:00,100
can really see yes we have two main

561
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:01,539
streams to our research one is

562
00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:03,370
understanding the mechanisms and the

563
00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:05,620
other is how can we diagnose it

564
00:25:11,130 --> 00:25:09,220
correctly and before the degeneration

565
00:25:13,529 --> 00:25:11,140
setting because once the brain has

566
00:25:15,779 --> 00:25:13,539
degenerated and died there's nothing we

567
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:15,789
can do about it really so we have

568
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:17,820
another project which is Lamar I project

569
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:21,730
magnetic resonance imaging so it looks

570
00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:24,039
at our movement of water molecules in

571
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:25,470
the brain and allows us to visualize

572
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:29,460
brains in vivo so you know in a living

573
00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:32,289
person or animal by the time someone

574
00:25:36,629 --> 00:25:34,840
goes to a neuropsychologist with

575
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,639
dementia problems it's too late by that

576
00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:38,559
stage the disease is probably be going

577
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:41,320
for 20 years 20 years by the time you

578
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:44,260
get severe enough cognitive deficits to

579
00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:45,490
actually go and seek help from the

580
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:47,080
neuropsychology so we're just walking

581
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,330
through the rest of our lab now so all

582
00:25:54,919 --> 00:25:51,960
these people in this area working on

583
00:25:57,419 --> 00:25:54,929
Alzheimer's yeah just in this area um

584
00:25:59,100 --> 00:25:57,429
over next to us is the Wallace group

585
00:26:01,560 --> 00:25:59,110
they work on epilepsy and motor neuron

586
00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:01,570
disease so geneticists people might be

587
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,700
familiar with Stephen Hawking it was

588
00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:05,200
probably most famous person they've made

589
00:26:10,019 --> 00:26:07,799
a neuron disease yes he's a very special

590
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:10,029
case because it's usually fatal within

591
00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:12,190
five years yeah he's got a form of Lou

592
00:26:15,389 --> 00:26:13,990
Gehrig's disease however hasn't he and

593
00:26:19,019 --> 00:26:15,399
that's usually faithful within about

594
00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:19,029
three years but yeah exceptional case

595
00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:22,299
yeah yes but and you mentioned that you

596
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:23,950
work with mice Adam do you have an

597
00:26:29,299 --> 00:26:26,049
animal facility here or is that I'm

598
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:29,309
somewhere else on campus soon we have a

599
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:31,320
excellent animal

600
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,390
all of our transgenic mice mm-hmm boss

601
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,400
as well as all of our allies are

602
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:39,760
breedings transgenic mice and mouse mice

603
00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:41,890
that have had their genes modified in

604
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:43,240
somewhere so they might have a gene

605
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,610
removed or an extra gene added so that

606
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:47,440
you can then study the impact of that

607
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:49,660
gene on yeah that's right it's really

608
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:52,120
important to finding out what genes

609
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:54,250
doing which is I guess what people used

610
00:26:58,620 --> 00:26:56,230
to refer to when the 90s is the scary

611
00:27:00,240 --> 00:26:58,630
term genetic engineering right we do

612
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,250
that every day though there's nothing

613
00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:01,360
scary about it we're not creating

614
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,560
monsters but still it's heavily

615
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:08,080
controlled we're in what now is called a

616
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:11,290
PC to the environment which is called a

617
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,990
physical confinement area to because we

618
00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:15,760
do work on transgenic animals and we

619
00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:18,040
have transgenic tissues of all has to be

620
00:27:22,410 --> 00:27:19,800
contained so this loading an

621
00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:22,420
unintentional releases its cool so is

622
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:24,040
this to prevent something like the movie

623
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:26,110
outbreak where you know a virus escapes

624
00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:27,690
and then affects the whole of the

625
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:30,580
community and everybody dies right I can

626
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:32,770
get it stupid like that yeah not really

627
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:36,370
like that that's what Hollywood makes it

628
00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:38,500
out to be like all right small because

629
00:27:43,470 --> 00:27:40,230
it sounds scary but it will actually

630
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:43,480
make any difference i mean genetics are

631
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:45,550
always changing even in the world and it

632
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:47,050
might just be something as simple as one

633
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:48,970
protein is modified as long as I've got

634
00:27:55,290 --> 00:27:52,690
five heads right no I will see that yet

635
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:55,300
no I open over it's important to

636
00:27:59,640 --> 00:27:56,920
emphasize though to our listeners that

637
00:28:01,950 --> 00:27:59,650
there is a very strict process that you

638
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:01,960
have to follow when you're using animals

639
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:04,960
like that absolutely it is and I think

640
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,670
it's really good that the public does

641
00:28:12,540 --> 00:28:09,120
neither be animals are used in research

642
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:12,550
now they need to be used in research but

643
00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:15,010
it's heavily controlled but we have to

644
00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:16,870
go through ethics committees for every

645
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:19,000
single one of our procedures are those

646
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:21,160
ethics committees are both scientists

647
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:24,340
and lay people and even people from

648
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:26,650
animal rights groups sit on the

649
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:28,930
committee so everything we do to the

650
00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:31,950
animals is heavily controlled and high

651
00:28:35,779 --> 00:28:33,990
ethical none of our animals will go

652
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:35,789
through any suffering whatsoever as it

653
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:37,769
would not be approved if ever we're

654
00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:39,929
doing surgery there's always the right

655
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,399
anesthetics are used and there's

656
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:43,980
analgesics used so if we just like

657
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:45,960
treating a human if you were doing

658
00:28:52,299 --> 00:28:50,010
surgery and we have humane ways of

659
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:52,309
sacrificing animals as well with either

660
00:28:57,139 --> 00:28:55,529
barbiturate overdose or other methods

661
00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:57,149
that are approved by the ethics

662
00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:59,130
committee we've just walked into another

663
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:02,100
microscope racer microsemi microscope

664
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,690
room for level six it looks like an

665
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:06,000
expensive room and is an extremely

666
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:07,980
expensive for millions and millions of

667
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:09,779
dollars worth of equipment I can see

668
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:12,690
probably about six or bloody more how

669
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:15,240
many microscope cheering ah there's the

670
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:19,350
six my prescription here we have two

671
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:23,250
normal upright fluorescence microscope

672
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,289
so that allows us to visualize

673
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,360
fluorophores that we stick in the brain

674
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:29,820
so we can look at look at the cells now

675
00:29:34,129 --> 00:29:32,279
they're all hooked up with high-end

676
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:34,139
digital cameras that are about twenty

677
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,360
five thousand dollars each for the

678
00:29:41,419 --> 00:29:39,179
cameras and so is this the room out of

679
00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:41,429
my you take photos of your brain because

680
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,409
you sent Richard Saunders and I some

681
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:46,159
beautiful pictures of brain sections

682
00:29:50,899 --> 00:29:48,510
after you saw the earrings that he make

683
00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:50,909
that we inspired by the pictures that

684
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:51,990
you sent Richard that he made the

685
00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:54,539
earrings fort on on Twitter and went

686
00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:57,000
well I'd love Richard to do something

687
00:30:01,220 --> 00:29:59,340
with the images I take this I haven't

688
00:30:03,379 --> 00:30:01,230
really thought of doing anything with

689
00:30:04,879 --> 00:30:03,389
them so I sent him a few pictures and

690
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:04,889
this is the room where I take them wow

691
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:08,940
those pictures we we can use three or

692
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:12,840
four colors to look at brain cells so

693
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:16,409
it's a red green or blue so we can look

694
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:18,510
at three different things in one brain

695
00:30:23,419 --> 00:30:21,299
section it's just a way of getting data

696
00:30:24,919 --> 00:30:23,429
so you reach the brains and you get the

697
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:24,929
data but the images look absolutely

698
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,080
spectacular as well so okay

699
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:28,880
really inspiring when you take a really

700
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:31,880
nice shot so it's a little bit more than

701
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:33,320
the data because it looks pretty as well

702
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:35,510
yeah you're actually looking down at

703
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,690
brain cells in the brain so yeah it's

704
00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:40,399
really amazing just to see them and look

705
00:30:44,169 --> 00:30:42,380
at them well this is amazing Adam and

706
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,179
thanks so much for showing us around

707
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:47,600
your lab and good luck with the rest of

708
00:30:52,659 --> 00:30:50,510
your research and if you'd like to know

709
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:52,669
more about the work of dr. Adam Hamlin

710
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:54,260
and his colleagues at the Queensland

711
00:31:02,860 --> 00:30:58,330
brain institute head to dub dub dub QB i

712
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:02,870
uq e dua you and for more information

713
00:31:09,159 --> 00:31:05,450
about alzheimer's you can search google

714
00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:09,169
or go to dub dub dub alzheimer's org a

715
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:11,960
you and until next time this has been

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731
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732
00:32:17,409 --> 00:32:11,360
that's okay I still like it this is

733
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:17,419
brian dunning from sceptile calm join us

734
00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:20,390
now for drinking skeptically in the

735
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:28,100
and i'd like to welcome everybody to the

736
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:31,710
think tank tonight welcome around thank

737
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:33,750
you Richard welcome dr. AG siren says

738
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:37,890
welcome everybody oh ok that's all it's

739
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:39,720
just Iran and dr. AG and yours truly

740
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:41,130
Richard Saunders in the think tank

741
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:43,170
tonight what folks we're in a very

742
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:45,810
strange room now often we come down to

743
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:47,310
the lower level of our favorite Club

744
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:49,260
which is the cannery Hilson Park RSL

745
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:51,480
club and the wonderful suburb of holston

746
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:53,850
park in Sydney and this used to be the

747
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:56,070
sports bar Iran in fact I used I

748
00:32:59,530 --> 00:32:57,420
remember coming here to see world cup

749
00:33:04,390 --> 00:32:59,540
soccer games but now it's a giant

750
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,400
storage area full of dead chairs dead

751
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,140
gaming machines I think we mentioned the

752
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:09,600
gaming machines last yeah this time a

753
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,070
lot of the gaming machines although the

754
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:13,200
pokies seem to be gone yeah but there's

755
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:17,700
old chairs type 3 3 layers up it's very

756
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:20,220
strange that's good for us it's good for

757
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,010
us we can sort of sneak back here and

758
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:24,240
there's no chance anybody will ever find

759
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:27,270
us no you reckon girls and boy if

760
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:29,220
anything happens you don't hear from us

761
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,790
again please send the rescue teams yes

762
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:34,320
anyway I'm just running through sorry I

763
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:35,730
was a bit distracted because i'm looking

764
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:37,410
through the twitter stream Richard

765
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:39,930
because I just missed the avian

766
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:42,120
homeopathy well let's go let's kick off

767
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:43,950
this think tank with that bit of news as

768
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,260
we were actually having a nice Chinese

769
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:47,760
dinner which is what we usually do

770
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:50,700
before the think tank are the webinar

771
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:53,130
hosted or is it hosted by the Australian

772
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:54,990
vaccinations at once by the extreme

773
00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:56,850
vaccination network and featuring France

774
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:58,950
Sheffield friend Sheffield homeopathy

775
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:01,860
plus she's the homeopath who has

776
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:04,440
produced a PDF which will link to in the

777
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:06,570
show notes about all about the benefits

778
00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:09,149
of homeopathic vaccination for all sorts

779
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,669
of diseases yes that's yeah and it's

780
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,720
interesting to note that French

781
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:14,940
Sheffield is actually the character name

782
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,830
of the nanny remember that show oh

783
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:19,200
that's true yeah and she makes about as

784
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:21,810
much sense as she does I haven't heard

785
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,399
us speak unfortunately as I just

786
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:25,500
mentioned I missed it because I'm here

787
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:27,810
but I'm just following the hashtag

788
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:31,260
autism avian on Twitter to see how

789
00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:33,570
people responded tonight and of course

790
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:34,860
it was about how homey

791
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:37,530
he can assist in autism hence the

792
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:39,390
hashtag what are the some of the gems

793
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,500
have come out people saying send this

794
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:45,780
woman straight to the H Triple C she's

795
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:49,140
claiming that she recommended homeopathy

796
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,900
instead of conventional medicine age

797
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:53,760
Triple C of course stands for the

798
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:55,350
healthcare Complaints Commission yep

799
00:35:00,260 --> 00:34:57,990
real friends over South Wales yep she's

800
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:00,270
flogging books and videos galore from

801
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,440
her website so that makes her a health

802
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:06,660
practitioner by definition of the H

803
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,820
Triple C but apparently I don't want to

804
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:10,560
spoil your thunder but somewhere there

805
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:11,820
that they're all twittering that she

806
00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:13,770
actually says it but you use a health

807
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:15,360
practitioner health care practitioner

808
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,320
yeah apparently somebody said autism is

809
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:21,300
linked with vaccination medication and

810
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:24,690
dietary issues I did see something here

811
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,790
earlier about Meryl dori saying

812
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:29,040
something about a study from The Lancet

813
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:31,410
and I assume that that's the Wakefield

814
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,390
study i'm not sure but of course we all

815
00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:35,460
know that's been discredited and wheat

816
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:36,750
fields currently under the under

817
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:39,450
investigation by the GMC and the UK what

818
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:41,850
a wood a if i can use the expression

819
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:44,910
what an unholy alliance it is for the

820
00:35:50,090 --> 00:35:47,730
avian to be in bed with the far end the

821
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:50,100
extreme end of the homeopathic people

822
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:52,110
and he's a surprise for you and probably

823
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:53,850
for our listeners to she doesn't endorse

824
00:36:00,320 --> 00:35:56,490
vaccinations friend Sheffield yeah I'm

825
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:00,330
shocked funny you know mm-hm so I missed

826
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:02,490
it but I have registered so I can go

827
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:05,220
home and watch it at my leisure so I'm

828
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:06,780
not sure if I'll be able to cope with

829
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:09,900
that better so it's it that somebody say

830
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:12,330
that Diana friend Diane who's not here

831
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:16,290
tonight her cat threw up or something we

832
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:18,990
did the first casualty of the webinar

833
00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:23,160
was die aunt Catherine through yeah

834
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:27,600
apparently I'm not I'm not surprised so

835
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,490
it's a it's been a busy day for Merrill

836
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:32,220
today riches yeah and over the last few

837
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:33,720
days oh you've got some more news let's

838
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:37,530
go to that absolutely now a lot of our

839
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:39,330
listeners would remember the story of

840
00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:41,880
Dana McCaffrey she was her parents were

841
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:45,060
awarded with the Fred award this year at

842
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:46,500
our convention what listeners will

843
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:47,280
recall

844
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:48,600
from our very last episode and

845
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:50,850
vertically yeah so they set up a

846
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:54,230
Facebook page in memory of Dana

847
00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:57,660
McCaffrey and yesterday or the day

848
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:00,150
before Meryl does joy decided she'd post

849
00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:03,300
on the facebook page and guess what she

850
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:05,580
wasn't posting condolences or sympathy

851
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:08,130
know you've read it around what what can

852
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:09,360
you tell our listeners what she was

853
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,570
posting the problem is not what she

854
00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:14,820
wrote so much I mean she just the fact

855
00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:18,390
that she saw fit to go on our honor one

856
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:20,670
of the rants about vaccines when the

857
00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:22,530
page dedicated the memory of a child who

858
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:24,990
died of hooking cough vaccine

859
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:27,630
preventable disease is diabolical he

860
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:29,940
just shows her true nature you know not

861
00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:31,260
that we were surprised but it's still

862
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:33,150
absolutely appalling well it's

863
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:34,380
interesting that you should say rant

864
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:36,590
because it wasn't just one post either

865
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:39,210
when people responded to some of the

866
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,400
statistics that you put in the post as

867
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,460
we all know she missed quote statistics

868
00:37:48,980 --> 00:37:47,520
to suit her cause so it really does not

869
00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:48,990
only the creationists who would take

870
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:51,750
quotes out of context all the time in

871
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:53,610
the old days when we were battling them

872
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:56,010
well she's done this she does it over

873
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,410
and over again she she says that the

874
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,680
vaccination rate is 95 point one percent

875
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:03,480
yet there's been a whooping cough

876
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:05,490
epidemic and how do you explain that

877
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:07,020
while it must be because the vaccine

878
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:08,280
doesn't work but you know what she

879
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:09,930
neglects to mention is that in the area

880
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:13,440
where she lives it's down to about 18

881
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:16,410
six percent and in the byron bay area

882
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:18,030
which is adjacent to where she lives at

883
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:21,330
sixty-eight percent 68% eight percent

884
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:24,300
yeah well done Merrill yeah I know so

885
00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:26,670
she's not even taking credit for her

886
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,620
hard work you know she should be Merrill

887
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:29,760
what's wrong with you come on he'd be

888
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:31,890
saying stand up and take the bells yay

889
00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:34,920
for me yeah um but can you some can you

890
00:38:42,110 --> 00:38:38,550
pass me the paper bag please but she

891
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:42,120
went on to argue with people but i just

892
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:44,280
wanted to read out the last post that

893
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:48,810
was on there today yeah oh yeah actually

894
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:50,630
just before I do that I'll mention that

895
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:53,490
Dave Dave McCaffrey got on there on

896
00:38:59,079 --> 00:38:56,910
December the seventh and said that you

897
00:39:01,509 --> 00:38:59,089
know she'd had enough chance and

898
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:01,519
it was disappointed that she'd come to

899
00:39:07,059 --> 00:39:03,650
this page and to please show respect and

900
00:39:10,319 --> 00:39:07,069
to be a decent human being and they've

901
00:39:13,209 --> 00:39:10,329
suffered enough and please just go away

902
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:13,219
it's going appropriate to do this but

903
00:39:16,989 --> 00:39:15,170
she kept going because well she don't

904
00:39:19,029 --> 00:39:16,999
have some sort of competence you cannot

905
00:39:20,499 --> 00:39:19,039
keep her mouth shut she cannot I don't

906
00:39:25,650 --> 00:39:20,509
understand it I love that old expression

907
00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:27,969
what he found that squirts applicable

908
00:39:34,209 --> 00:39:31,819
okay you like that but I just wanted to

909
00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:34,219
read out a post from our friend first

910
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:37,160
win who was the last word on I first on

911
00:39:43,150 --> 00:39:40,609
this thread she wrote a brilliant post

912
00:39:46,539 --> 00:39:43,160
which pawned how do you say that word

913
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:46,549
pwned of it spawned hello pwnage pawned

914
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,369
pawned here all we're showing our age

915
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:51,920
because all the young the young people

916
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:54,410
who something this show anyway go on we

917
00:40:01,359 --> 00:39:57,529
know what you mean yeah um completely my

918
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,369
dad got the better of ya one she says

919
00:40:05,979 --> 00:40:04,400
dearest Meryl how nice to see you here

920
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:05,989
sharing your opinions with the rest of

921
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:08,420
us on the very page dedicated to the

922
00:40:11,890 --> 00:40:10,130
memory of a young child that was the

923
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,900
catalyst for the complaint against you

924
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:14,960
and your organization you have no right

925
00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:17,569
of reply in this forum opinions and

926
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:19,700
judgments here are based on facts you

927
00:40:23,529 --> 00:40:21,410
are nothing but a conspiracy theorist

928
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:23,539
spreading misinformation and fear in the

929
00:40:27,609 --> 00:40:25,880
community to such an extent for the

930
00:40:29,529 --> 00:40:27,619
government authority has seen fit to

931
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:29,539
investigate your effects on public

932
00:40:34,209 --> 00:40:31,940
health I see no valid reason for your

933
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,219
presence here and the only reasons i can

934
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:36,319
see either you are insane or out to

935
00:40:42,609 --> 00:40:39,049
intimidate i draw your attention to the

936
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:42,619
following read closely health care

937
00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:46,960
complaints act 1993 section 98 offense

938
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:49,900
intimidation or bribery of complainants

939
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:53,390
one a person who by threats intimidation

940
00:40:59,469 --> 00:40:56,329
or inducement persuades or attempts to

941
00:41:00,819 --> 00:40:59,479
persuade another person a not to make a

942
00:41:02,979 --> 00:41:00,829
complaint to the commission or

943
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:02,989
registration authority or not to

944
00:41:06,299 --> 00:41:04,609
continue with a complaint made to the

945
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:06,309
Commission or registration authority

946
00:41:11,289 --> 00:41:09,410
then she says you made a very bad choice

947
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:11,299
posting here Meryl rest assure that

948
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:12,990
every character you tie

949
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:14,430
will be forwarded to the healthcare

950
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:16,200
Complaints Commission as evidence of

951
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:18,660
intimidation and every character thus

952
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:21,510
far is already on its way Meryl get a

953
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:27,240
clue yeah so I mean you're so right that

954
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:28,619
she opens her mouth to change feet

955
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,750
because she could be accused of a timid

956
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:32,520
at intimidation under this section of

957
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:34,260
the healthcare well let's let's see

958
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:35,910
let's encourage you to keep commenting

959
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:39,570
yeah go for it Meryl yeah yeah yeah it's

960
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:41,010
fine something I find quite interesting

961
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:43,890
about Meryl Dorian people like that do

962
00:41:48,859 --> 00:41:47,010
you really think that they think that we

963
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,869
are being paid off by the big

964
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:51,300
pharmaceutical companies is that a

965
00:41:56,210 --> 00:41:53,850
question of course they think that they

966
00:41:58,340 --> 00:41:56,220
really do of course they do you

967
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,350
basically what you're asking other

968
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:00,780
conspiracy theories genuine like

969
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,910
genuinely believed in yeah they have no

970
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:04,920
doubt they really do think so in their

971
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,570
mind sitting there they're probably

972
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:09,180
listening to this podcast hello thinking

973
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:12,570
that we are Stooges when the direct pay

974
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:14,970
off big farm which would be nice did

975
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:16,590
they believe that there are mind-control

976
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:19,619
chips in the vaccine for h1n one that's

977
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:21,390
in more preposterous in us being in the

978
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,650
pay of beef farmer of course they

979
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:25,680
believe that wow it's just mind-boggling

980
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,060
is and here we are just doing this

981
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:28,800
little podcast from some basement of

982
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:31,320
some Club winner with the piles of

983
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:34,470
chairs chairs not on not in the

984
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:36,810
Caribbean flat out on our money from Big

985
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,630
Pharma it's a STONER look again you know

986
00:42:43,580 --> 00:42:41,280
this is not the craziest stuff that they

987
00:42:45,590 --> 00:42:43,590
believe first of all they believe that

988
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:45,600
there's a conspiracy to poison children

989
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,430
your conspiracy by the government now

990
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:50,280
why would the government want to poison

991
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:52,260
our children what what incentive is

992
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:54,690
there okay let's sit for a moment assume

993
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:57,330
that there is an incentive to the too

994
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:00,780
big to the Big Pharma to poison each

995
00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:02,250
other okay because they can make money

996
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:04,470
off it what's the incentive for the

997
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,650
government just I just just something

998
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:09,240
that some somebody who is reasonable in

999
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:10,890
thinking and not understand any

1000
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,990
government are made out of many parents

1001
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:15,420
it was a pretty dumb tax it secretly you

1002
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:17,550
guys let's get it all te o you

1003
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,570
understand the structure of the

1004
00:43:22,579 --> 00:43:20,940
Illuminati you see

1005
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:22,589
because the whole point of the world new

1006
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:24,210
world order and the Illuminati is to

1007
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:27,510
take over the United States and give it

1008
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:31,160
over to the UN and to the Chinese army I

1009
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:33,690
always thought rachel was in on this

1010
00:43:40,339 --> 00:43:37,020
damn you see my voice doesn't sound the

1011
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,349
same anymore I've got a mind control

1012
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,440
peloton by brain a couple more items

1013
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:46,380
before we get on to the predictions are

1014
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,800
we as predictions big shout-out to Fred

1015
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,260
Bremer in Vancouver and the Vancouver

1016
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,180
skeptics in the pub who video skyped me

1017
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,700
earlier today that was a real hood there

1018
00:44:01,280 --> 00:43:58,500
I was suddenly in the middle of the pub

1019
00:44:03,319 --> 00:44:01,290
there almost almost having a beer with

1020
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:03,329
them but not quite but it was really

1021
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:05,609
great to hook up with them being passed

1022
00:44:10,339 --> 00:44:07,770
I was wearing pants as as a matter of

1023
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:10,349
fact I know I was home and I was working

1024
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:12,510
at home working I was but not mandatory

1025
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,970
to wear pants I happened unlike Phil

1026
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:16,710
Plait who says Who am I am just a guy

1027
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:18,630
who does a blog in his underwear I was

1028
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:21,569
wearing pants last tonight um a big

1029
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,640
congratulations to our dear friend DJ

1030
00:44:28,819 --> 00:44:26,640
Grothe oh yes yes the new president as

1031
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:28,829
of January of the James Randi

1032
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,569
Educational Foundation and big

1033
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,920
encouragement to dr. Phil Plait who's

1034
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:36,960
going on to do a TV project isn't that

1035
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,790
exciting yeah I can't wait to hear more

1036
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,980
about that good on you Phil and thank

1037
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:42,960
you very much for your hard work with

1038
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:45,530
the James Randi Educational Foundation

1039
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:49,200
and also a little shout out to somebody

1040
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,510
who wrote to us just yesterday I'll just

1041
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:53,400
say it's andrew from Victoria who wrote

1042
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,010
the nicest email to us just thanking is

1043
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,020
so sincerely for our work on the show

1044
00:45:01,640 --> 00:44:59,760
and he really enjoys this thing to it it

1045
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:01,650
wasn't very nicely very Sandra we

1046
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:03,690
appreciate it we did Andrew the city put

1047
00:45:10,839 --> 00:45:05,579
up with Richard every weekend it's

1048
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:10,849
really hard I should added that out but

1049
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,569
alright but you are I want and just get

1050
00:45:21,319 --> 00:45:18,359
the last bit of roundup information from

1051
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:21,329
me for this is some listeners probably

1052
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:23,010
know i was on a program here called

1053
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:25,560
sunrise in the past week and you can see

1054
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,150
that video clip at ww skeptics Comte you

1055
00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:32,040
just look for the link that says Richard

1056
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:34,350
Saunders talks about astrology I

1057
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,210
on with Milton black who's Australia's

1058
00:45:41,330 --> 00:45:39,000
leading astrologer and psychic mm-hmm

1059
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:41,340
and wasn't a psychic he was very psychic

1060
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,910
head for ww skeptics comdata you and

1061
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:47,520
check out my TV appearance and why

1062
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:49,950
you're there why not subscribe to the

1063
00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:51,750
skeptic the Journal of Australian

1064
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,390
skeptics good magazine it is to regular

1065
00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:57,200
magazine and the latest issue is in

1066
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:01,770
right now on the print yeah I received

1067
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:06,120
an email from the somebody who seems to

1068
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:14,700
be the webmaster of skepticism his name

1069
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:18,060
is Otto of mikela and he wrote me thus

1070
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:20,130
you might be interested to know that the

1071
00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:22,290
two thousand and I finished skeptics who

1072
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:28,460
ha who helped rise and he writes here in

1073
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:32,190
parenthesis that hoo-ha means flim flim

1074
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:36,480
flam flim flam was awarded to rock

1075
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:40,340
artists raucous info I which means

1076
00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:44,190
vaccination info society so basically

1077
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,620
they're equivalent of the bent spoon

1078
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:48,420
award was awarded to add their

1079
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:51,710
equivalent of the Australian vaccination

1080
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:55,760
network with a similarly deceptive name

1081
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:00,240
so that's you know it's happening all

1082
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:01,530
over the world unfortunately it's not

1083
00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:03,240
just something that's unique to us and

1084
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:06,150
then I found out through auto who

1085
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:08,490
pointed out that he thought the Dutch

1086
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,010
skeptics did the same now eat the link

1087
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:12,960
to the Dutch skeptics website didn't

1088
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,520
help me much because Diane isn't here

1089
00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:16,920
today and I only did call her and hoped

1090
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:18,750
you might be able to help me better the

1091
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:20,910
skeptics website surprisingly is all in

1092
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:24,450
Dutch so I'm and my Dutch is very

1093
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:28,710
limited two but three words sog hey all

1094
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:32,520
of you with your clothes chula windmill

1095
00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:35,190
oh no I what are those things that Diane

1096
00:47:43,219 --> 00:47:39,840
makes us 80 Freight free I can freakin

1097
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:43,229
del freaking down special yeah

1098
00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:47,950
licorice okay so now that we finish

1099
00:47:53,989 --> 00:47:50,440
talking about Dutch not skeptics led yes

1100
00:47:58,289 --> 00:47:53,999
norms let's talk about this so um I

1101
00:48:00,539 --> 00:47:58,299
contacted yawn villam nienhaus i hope

1102
00:48:02,190 --> 00:48:00,549
i'm pronouncing this correctly probably

1103
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:02,200
not though the way the contact name was

1104
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:04,329
actually funny i was looking through the

1105
00:48:10,529 --> 00:48:06,670
website for contact details but i don't

1106
00:48:11,849 --> 00:48:10,539
know how they say contact details so

1107
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:11,859
it's basically roaming through a few

1108
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:14,170
pages that seem to be about the

1109
00:48:17,309 --> 00:48:15,369
organization and there was a phone

1110
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:17,319
number there and i just called the

1111
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:20,410
number you know 00 1131 you know darling

1112
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:22,180
the dutch number and hoping that it's

1113
00:48:25,650 --> 00:48:23,460
not the new phone number for some

1114
00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:25,660
government department or maybe he'll

1115
00:48:32,430 --> 00:48:30,460
homeopath but anyway jaan answered the

1116
00:48:35,249 --> 00:48:32,440
phone I woke him up it was quoted to

1117
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:35,259
eight in the morning in Holland and and

1118
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:39,849
he sent me information about about their

1119
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:42,970
prize so I'll read a few snippets from

1120
00:48:46,529 --> 00:48:44,920
his email it's fairly long he translated

1121
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:46,539
it for me so basically they have

1122
00:48:51,539 --> 00:48:49,450
something called the master codorus

1123
00:48:56,219 --> 00:48:51,549
prize it's similar to the bed spoon

1124
00:48:58,019 --> 00:48:56,229
award but it's it's given by the VT DK

1125
00:49:00,450 --> 00:48:58,029
which is the Association against

1126
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:00,460
quackery no legislation against quackery

1127
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:02,910
so they have that Association and the

1128
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:05,950
organization basically they provide that

1129
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:10,619
also the award the data that prize and

1130
00:49:16,049 --> 00:49:12,729
I'll tell you the name of the

1131
00:49:17,849 --> 00:49:16,059
organization that won it it says here I

1132
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:17,859
can't hide to you for you that the jury

1133
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:20,049
hesitates someone in lexing this

1134
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:21,369
organization they don't say what the

1135
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:24,249
organization is just yet because members

1136
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:26,200
and guests and Xcode above the departing

1137
00:49:30,089 --> 00:49:28,180
five minutes on Gont elston Park dollar

1138
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,099
chill man for Canterbury and can see

1139
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:32,319
that's a courtesy bus departing in five

1140
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:35,910
minutes time thank you and Rotterdam

1141
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:39,160
yeah so actually i'll start I'll start

1142
00:49:41,999 --> 00:49:40,150
by them with the name of the

1143
00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:42,009
organization that'll be easier it's the

1144
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:43,960
organization that one that Massacre

1145
00:49:47,549 --> 00:49:45,880
chorus price for this year is called the

1146
00:49:50,589 --> 00:49:47,559
Dutch Association for discerning

1147
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:50,599
vaccinations Oh God so they

1148
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:53,660
they just did this line is there you go

1149
00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:55,630
names you know just call themselves

1150
00:49:59,289 --> 00:49:57,710
vaccination is really bad and we don't

1151
00:50:01,599 --> 00:49:59,299
approve but the organization or

1152
00:50:03,450 --> 00:50:01,609
something be honest people anyway so

1153
00:50:06,009 --> 00:50:03,460
what they're saying is it say it says

1154
00:50:09,999 --> 00:50:06,019
that the organization does not usually

1155
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:10,009
give prizes to this kind of organization

1156
00:50:14,529 --> 00:50:13,190
and they hesitated because usually the

1157
00:50:16,989 --> 00:50:14,539
prizes awarded organizations

1158
00:50:19,479 --> 00:50:16,999
institutions or persons that promote

1159
00:50:21,249 --> 00:50:19,489
quackery but that are expected to be

1160
00:50:23,319 --> 00:50:21,259
able to mend their ways and that might

1161
00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:23,329
react to appeal to their conscience or

1162
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:25,640
scientific data committing quackery

1163
00:50:30,759 --> 00:50:28,430
generally does not marry a nomination

1164
00:50:32,799 --> 00:50:30,769
for a prize the Dutch Association for

1165
00:50:34,859 --> 00:50:32,809
discerning vaccination was established

1166
00:50:36,849 --> 00:50:34,869
by homeopaths in naturopaths and

1167
00:50:39,509 --> 00:50:36,859
considering a considerable number of

1168
00:50:43,539 --> 00:50:39,519
them is actively practicing your face

1169
00:50:44,769 --> 00:50:43,549
yeah so basically they've decided to

1170
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:44,779
give it to them anyway because they were

1171
00:50:50,109 --> 00:50:47,690
just so deserving govt report maester

1172
00:50:52,989 --> 00:50:50,119
kakadu his price twitter isn't and neha

1173
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:52,999
oak ditch Acosta had the veining take

1174
00:50:57,219 --> 00:50:55,369
walks all day when his moods and an

1175
00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:57,229
tokens help us for the jefes the top of

1176
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:00,380
a to nominee ever on Bautista veena talk

1177
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,450
is did she happen organizatsiya not say

1178
00:51:06,489 --> 00:51:04,160
in the dirt and koala call lift is

1179
00:51:08,499 --> 00:51:06,499
filled in the public opini the

1180
00:51:10,569 --> 00:51:08,509
netherlands of iranian Kiki spreaker is

1181
00:51:13,059 --> 00:51:10,579
up correct the homeopath an on Toppa

1182
00:51:16,269 --> 00:51:13,069
sofa from e nanes in big deal okok teeth

1183
00:51:18,609 --> 00:51:16,279
practice ears popaganda the

1184
00:51:20,890 --> 00:51:18,619
organizatsiya the env kabhi yaad mein

1185
00:51:23,529 --> 00:51:20,900
ish analyst and come to laser in series

1186
00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:23,539
into it marked so of to canal a dotted

1187
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,700
antoja vaccinia the doubt and tops

1188
00:51:31,059 --> 00:51:28,640
taraval aids or money to vaccine era on

1189
00:51:33,099 --> 00:51:31,069
gotted active quack solver boat at four

1190
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:33,109
bonds from days of rain Hebert's if the

1191
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:35,210
jellyfish loader and the env kirby the

1192
00:51:40,029 --> 00:51:37,849
place to together for a meeting kitty

1193
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:40,039
spreaker half to the cafe the city of

1194
00:51:44,759 --> 00:51:42,950
Phnom is eating from the skeptic zone so

1195
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:44,769
that there's more information here and

1196
00:51:57,759 --> 00:51:49,089
there website of the dutch skeptics is

1197
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:57,769
skip sis sk-ii p.s is dot NL and not NL

1198
00:52:03,580 --> 00:51:59,330
for netherlands and

1199
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:03,590
the finished skeptics is at skeptics

1200
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:10,960
capsis fi for Finland so they both gave

1201
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:13,900
prizes similar similar to ours to

1202
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:16,790
similar organization we did you have any

1203
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:18,440
indication that they may have been

1204
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:20,630
inspired by us or was not believed or

1205
00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:23,030
has done at least one of them was

1206
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:24,980
definitely given before us okay because

1207
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:26,450
we certainly didn't have any knowledge

1208
00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:28,220
of that this elders know that I'm

1209
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:30,350
definitely not the we don't even have

1210
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:32,030
anybody who speaks Finnish but you know

1211
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:33,890
but no we didn't know we've been

1212
00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:36,350
obviously fighting against the avian

1213
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:38,660
this year our year in da and their

1214
00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:41,360
decision to order to the avian was

1215
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,640
unanimous I think it's I don't think

1216
00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:45,200
they knew about each other either it's

1217
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:47,360
just I think maybe the time has come for

1218
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:49,340
the anti-vaccination love you people

1219
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:51,020
listening in the Netherlands please

1220
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:52,910
contact your friends in Finland and

1221
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:54,740
people in Finland please contact your

1222
00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:56,290
friends and the Netherlands get together

1223
00:53:00,970 --> 00:52:58,730
when will come and visit everybody just

1224
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:00,980
send us the air and all of you contact

1225
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:04,160
us up here on skeptics condo to you it's

1226
00:53:09,580 --> 00:53:07,400
time Rachel there on it's time really is

1227
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:09,590
time do you think now yeah we do

1228
00:53:12,730 --> 00:53:11,270
listeners might remember at the

1229
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:12,740
beginning of the year and one of our

1230
00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:15,890
very early episodes in January it was

1231
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:18,980
Tiffany our good friend Tiffany day

1232
00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:21,560
Stefan the other co-host who comes on

1233
00:53:25,780 --> 00:53:23,720
sometimes yourself and myself we made

1234
00:53:28,270 --> 00:53:25,790
all these predictions for this year we

1235
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:28,280
did Richard we did we did and as this

1236
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:29,990
time of year we like to look back at our

1237
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:31,970
predictions and see how we went when see

1238
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:34,760
how we went well let's see now look can

1239
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:37,790
I predict that you did at least as well

1240
00:53:44,770 --> 00:53:42,470
as professional um chocolate I'm psyche

1241
00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:44,780
well I was no you wouldn't get it was

1242
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:48,020
going to use a pejorative yes I empty

1243
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:50,330
nothing well I mean I'm not going to go

1244
00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:51,890
through them all but more or less we

1245
00:53:58,930 --> 00:53:56,990
made about 19 predictions and we are I

1246
00:54:00,370 --> 00:53:58,940
went through the other day and I googled

1247
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,380
all the results and everything you know

1248
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:01,760
they're all the big stories of the year

1249
00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:05,570
and we got about sixty six percent

1250
00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:08,390
correct we really did pretty me to give

1251
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:09,800
a few examples of things that

1252
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:13,490
yeah absolutely okay um President Obama

1253
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:15,470
would have an embarrassing incident in

1254
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:17,240
his first six months of office yes he

1255
00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:19,220
did he made a big gap on the jay leno

1256
00:54:23,890 --> 00:54:21,500
show about the special special olympics

1257
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,900
that's right an earth-like planet would

1258
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:26,000
be found well apparently there was one

1259
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,760
founder GE li e se 58 1 d was found at

1260
00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:34,880
such an idea what what a sad thing that

1261
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:36,860
came right Stefan predicted that six

1262
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:38,570
people would be shot in the United

1263
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:40,760
States but not in a mall sadly that

1264
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:43,370
happened in march in silicon valley six

1265
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:46,220
people were shot uh uh home went I

1266
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:48,050
thought I think so I don't have all the

1267
00:54:54,070 --> 00:54:50,990
details but it happened which is not not

1268
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:54,080
very happy um things like I think it was

1269
00:54:59,650 --> 00:54:56,450
Rachel said that Prince William would

1270
00:55:02,410 --> 00:54:59,660
shave his beard off well I don't

1271
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:02,420
remember saying that you said it but you

1272
00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:04,250
also said that Kevin Rudd would have

1273
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:07,580
more Twitter followers then Malcolm

1274
00:55:13,450 --> 00:55:09,770
Turnbull oh and was I right yeah by a

1275
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:13,460
factor of about ten anak that's right

1276
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,040
like money right only two points for

1277
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:19,280
that or x 10 manufacturer of tenses a

1278
00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:21,830
factor of ten yeah quite quite a lot

1279
00:55:25,330 --> 00:55:23,540
substantially more and various other

1280
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,340
things we got we got we got some wrong I

1281
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:26,960
predicted the wrong team would win the

1282
00:55:31,810 --> 00:55:29,750
local football competition we got here

1283
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:31,820
the Blue Mountains Panther would be seen

1284
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:33,530
I don't remember any reports but not

1285
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:36,110
found well it certainly wasn't fair so

1286
00:55:39,070 --> 00:55:37,610
does it have a bright for that I think

1287
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:39,080
that was my prediction petrol prices

1288
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:41,090
would go up well they went up they went

1289
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:42,830
down they sort of went up the last

1290
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:44,810
prediction we made is we would do better

1291
00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:47,270
than the professional psychics oh now

1292
00:55:53,610 --> 00:55:50,860
Rachel what do you have there from a

1293
00:55:58,030 --> 00:55:53,620
printout from the following magazine

1294
00:55:59,770 --> 00:55:58,040
2009 Australian psychic directory oh yes

1295
00:56:02,020 --> 00:55:59,780
this was published probably in December

1296
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:02,030
last year and it's got what it what is

1297
00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:04,760
it Rachel their best predictions it's

1298
00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:09,020
got the top 40 predictions for 2009 from

1299
00:56:12,510 --> 00:56:10,760
members of the Australian psychics

1300
00:56:14,590 --> 00:56:12,520
Association

1301
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:14,600
so they've got a number of categories

1302
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:17,030
which they've all addressed and we're

1303
00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:18,170
going to go through some of them and

1304
00:56:22,540 --> 00:56:21,320
just see how they went for 2009 we have

1305
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:22,550
to say there are a few more weeks

1306
00:56:27,970 --> 00:56:25,609
remaining Richard there are so it's not

1307
00:56:30,099 --> 00:56:27,980
quite the end yet but um I think we're

1308
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:30,109
pretty some pretty safe yeah we've

1309
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:31,940
already been through it so I don't know

1310
00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:33,710
that they can pull themselves out of the

1311
00:56:38,099 --> 00:56:35,840
hole but let's have a look at some of

1312
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,109
the celebrity predictions that they made

1313
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:40,640
they said one of them said that George

1314
00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:42,530
Clooney would find his true love by the

1315
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:45,260
end of 2009 and we'll finally commit to

1316
00:56:51,250 --> 00:56:49,040
a long-term relationship anyway I knew

1317
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:51,260
that happened I don't follow this kind

1318
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:53,810
of gossip at uh no it didn't happen a

1319
00:57:01,359 --> 00:56:58,880
bow the second one is that Nicole Kidman

1320
00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:01,369
will adopt a male child and it may be of

1321
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:04,550
Aboriginal descent and a royal romance

1322
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:06,380
will be connected to her but there will

1323
00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:08,750
be no truth behind it she will be

1324
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:10,340
featured in Australian airline

1325
00:57:15,609 --> 00:57:12,470
advertising and will change image for a

1326
00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:15,619
short time to short that sport very dark

1327
00:57:20,380 --> 00:57:18,140
hair well that must have happened very

1328
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,390
quickly because I miss them well that's

1329
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:23,119
about three or four in there in any of

1330
00:57:31,859 --> 00:57:26,540
them not ringing a bell no no no a bow

1331
00:57:34,330 --> 00:57:31,869
fail there's one here about pink

1332
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:34,340
bringing a pink yeah she will get into

1333
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:37,330
trouble with the French paparazzi uh

1334
00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:39,410
show you got in trouble with somebody

1335
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:42,320
but not what I think so yes Father she

1336
00:57:47,410 --> 00:57:44,510
will also be involved in a funny epic

1337
00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:47,420
movie around october november 2009 with

1338
00:58:01,000 --> 00:57:58,150
fail um however there's one which is a

1339
00:58:03,849 --> 00:58:01,010
hit they say pink may also be in a

1340
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:03,859
mobile phone promotion now she was

1341
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,710
actually in a month notice the meishan

1342
00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:08,960
that's true may also and as i say

1343
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:10,670
instead of the movie it might be a

1344
00:58:14,530 --> 00:58:12,350
mobile phone promotion so we're going to

1345
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,540
you know put 10 by the way we'll put it

1346
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:16,160
so we got to pay that because she was

1347
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:18,710
doing ads for optus in Australia okay in

1348
00:58:23,710 --> 00:58:20,630
conjunction with her world tour so she

1349
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:23,720
did do that they also say that she will

1350
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:26,090
be purchasing a holiday home in Sydney

1351
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:28,670
and there is a baby for her in September

1352
00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:31,670
2010 oh well wow thanks to you we can't

1353
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:33,800
pay that as you didn't buy a house in

1354
00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:36,860
Sydney so that's a fail that's left

1355
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:43,000
politics let's have a look at politics

1356
00:58:48,250 --> 00:58:46,730
shall we um now for Kevin Rudd who is

1357
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:48,260
our new prime minister although it's not

1358
00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:52,250
that many more ideas do you um this is

1359
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:53,870
quite a long one but i'll just use I'm

1360
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,090
just quite the one none of it was right

1361
00:59:00,250 --> 00:58:57,920
by the way but here's a one that says if

1362
00:59:02,350 --> 00:59:00,260
he falls victim to a scandal he will

1363
00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:02,360
voluntarily withdraw into the background

1364
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:03,980
and become more powerful than he was

1365
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:07,790
before did he won't even mean well I

1366
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:09,770
don't know this is from shady Montford

1367
00:59:13,390 --> 00:59:11,510
what does anything she say mean not

1368
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:13,400
really but the point is of dynamin no I

1369
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:16,070
open it didn't happen yeah um there's

1370
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:18,590
one here from Simon Turnbull he said I

1371
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:21,110
delightfully that Pakistan is likely to

1372
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:23,930
be forced into reading itself extremists

1373
00:59:28,270 --> 00:59:25,850
rather than allowing the military to

1374
00:59:29,890 --> 00:59:28,280
foster them as they realize that India

1375
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:29,900
and the USA will become less and less

1376
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,670
tolerant of underground aggressive

1377
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:33,280
behavior towards India and Afghanistan

1378
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:35,360
that sort of prediction he was already

1379
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:38,720
happy already happening you sleep for

1380
00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:39,710
that you know it's been happening for

1381
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:42,260
like three years what is a prediction

1382
00:59:46,180 --> 00:59:44,180
here yeah but in any case it hasn't

1383
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:46,190
changed to drugs 30 so he's probably

1384
00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:47,450
wrong in the sense that there's no

1385
00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:49,460
there's been no change at all there no

1386
00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:51,020
it's not like they've been doing any

1387
00:59:55,930 --> 00:59:53,740
better probably doing a bit worse

1388
01:00:00,340 --> 00:59:55,940
because the Taliban has been making

1389
01:00:04,090 --> 01:00:00,350
inroads into into Pakistan yeah so

1390
01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:04,100
that's a fail hmm what's a more notable

1391
01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:07,550
fail sir do you remember any he failed

1392
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:10,460
to predict inspector well there's one

1393
01:00:14,830 --> 01:00:13,160
about Oprah that says she's going to be

1394
01:00:16,990 --> 01:00:14,840
getting more involved in politics and

1395
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:17,000
could rise in ranks herself in the

1396
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,610
political arena in years to come and

1397
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:21,440
think so I'm gonna happen before 2012

1398
01:00:27,550 --> 01:00:25,760
another one here political a well-known

1399
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:27,560
political leader in China will be

1400
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:31,250
assassinated proper yeah I don't think

1401
01:00:34,660 --> 01:00:33,050
so now i have to mention this one this

1402
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,670
one actually got a half a point because

1403
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:37,040
we have a TV celebrity here called Rove

1404
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:38,690
he doesn't sort of variety show on

1405
01:00:42,370 --> 01:00:39,580
sunday night

1406
01:00:44,170 --> 01:00:42,380
and this person here said that a

1407
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:44,180
marriage will be announced for Rome in

1408
01:00:49,630 --> 01:00:46,490
March now I couldn't find whether that

1409
01:00:52,420 --> 01:00:49,640
was true or not but the ceremony will be

1410
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:52,430
taking place near a beach now he was on

1411
01:00:56,260 --> 01:00:54,530
a beach it was on a beach they say near

1412
01:01:00,790 --> 01:00:56,270
a beach but you have to give him halfway

1413
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:00,800
well they have done so poorly make a

1414
01:01:08,110 --> 01:01:04,880
bone half a point here's another one

1415
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:08,120
assassination attempt on the Pope 90 of

1416
01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:10,130
a UFO sighting will be seen by hundreds

1417
01:01:14,050 --> 01:01:12,140
of stray lien's supper here's another

1418
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:14,060
one from Chez de Montford the list it

1419
01:01:18,910 --> 01:01:16,430
makes sense this time a ground swell in

1420
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:18,920
alternative fuels results in a reshaping

1421
01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:26,990
of two economies what two economies what

1422
01:01:30,130 --> 01:01:28,340
does it mean but there was no ground

1423
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:30,140
swelling alternative fuel it was this

1424
01:01:34,750 --> 01:01:32,030
two economies mean is she talking town

1425
01:01:36,580 --> 01:01:34,760
city state country region I don't know

1426
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:36,590
Richard you explain what this means that

1427
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:38,270
she said it's your girlfriend you say

1428
01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:40,970
you tell I don't know Oh where's the

1429
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:42,620
other bit that she said that made no

1430
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:45,890
sense at all oh here we go here we go

1431
01:01:52,540 --> 01:01:48,050
look for this part ways change no no I

1432
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:52,550
am this this is whether from chez it

1433
01:01:56,530 --> 01:01:54,290
says we are heading into a global

1434
01:02:00,790 --> 01:01:56,540
cooling period not a global warming

1435
01:02:02,830 --> 01:02:00,800
period okay I'm not finished yet harsh

1436
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:02,840
winter and strong storms will further

1437
01:02:07,330 --> 01:02:05,150
lash the economy for two more years the

1438
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:07,340
cooling will advance for eight years to

1439
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:09,350
bring it to halfway through its 20-year

1440
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:13,640
cycle watch the bees and frogs the

1441
01:02:17,890 --> 01:02:16,190
sunspots go quiet store water for more

1442
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:17,900
droughts each home should get its own

1443
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:21,920
tank now well the storm this the first

1444
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,330
of all a few of these things just don't

1445
01:02:29,290 --> 01:02:25,760
make any sense at all the winter was the

1446
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:29,300
mildest we've had in years um the summer

1447
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,370
harsh winter no we didn't have a harsh

1448
01:02:36,610 --> 01:02:33,680
winter the sun spots were already very

1449
01:02:38,770 --> 01:02:36,620
very quiet at the end of 2009 and there

1450
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:38,780
was already a lengthy period of no

1451
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:41,030
sunspots at all but we need time yes

1452
01:02:44,770 --> 01:02:43,130
it's not it's not a prediction it

1453
01:02:45,850 --> 01:02:44,780
basically it's all selection she was

1454
01:02:48,270 --> 01:02:45,860
actually announcing something was

1455
01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:48,280
already happening the droughts well

1456
01:02:52,839 --> 01:02:51,380
we've been in a drought for since 2000

1457
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:52,849
so I mean kind of a

1458
01:02:57,999 --> 01:02:55,640
again it's not exactly a prediction to

1459
01:02:59,469 --> 01:02:58,009
say this is going to be a drought yeah

1460
01:03:03,609 --> 01:02:59,479
but what about watching the bees and

1461
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:03,619
frogs Iran whatever hmm is that just to

1462
01:03:08,109 --> 01:03:05,690
calm you down or are they going to be

1463
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:08,119
wrong I mean I tried to suggest to

1464
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,410
Richard when we were discussing this the

1465
01:03:13,089 --> 01:03:11,119
other night that she was inferring the

1466
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:13,099
column colony collapse that's happening

1467
01:03:17,289 --> 01:03:14,930
with the bees but he said that was too

1468
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:17,299
much of a stretch did watch the bees and

1469
01:03:22,690 --> 01:03:20,690
frogs images to say that she knows what

1470
01:03:27,549 --> 01:03:22,700
she's talking about here is too much of

1471
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:27,559
it to try so try to try to try to

1472
01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:30,950
extract some meaning without being

1473
01:03:35,289 --> 01:03:33,319
somehow connected to the brilliant mind

1474
01:03:36,969 --> 01:03:35,299
that is shade oh no this is a great one

1475
01:03:39,999 --> 01:03:36,979
from shady this one's great in fact

1476
01:03:41,710 --> 01:03:40,009
Richard asked Desiree shell about this

1477
01:03:44,289 --> 01:03:41,720
on skype the other night because she

1478
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:44,299
says that Russia will again engage in

1479
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:45,920
throwing its weight around and will look

1480
01:03:51,849 --> 01:03:48,529
to Alaska a tense and nervous situation

1481
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:51,859
willin to that hasn't happened but what

1482
01:03:58,599 --> 01:03:54,170
we know is that the governor governor of

1483
01:03:59,950 --> 01:03:58,609
alaska was definitely looking at them he

1484
01:04:01,870 --> 01:03:59,960
could see Russia out of her kitchen

1485
01:04:04,509 --> 01:04:01,880
window can I see Sarah pie maybe she

1486
01:04:06,910 --> 01:04:04,519
could see that the frogs and the baby

1487
01:04:09,219 --> 01:04:06,920
too yes but what was the one Richard

1488
01:04:11,499 --> 01:04:09,229
will that shea said about you must just

1489
01:04:13,150 --> 01:04:11,509
feel the goodness of the nature I was

1490
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,160
that was that shad I can't move that

1491
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:14,960
will show you somebody somebody mowed

1492
01:04:20,589 --> 01:04:17,210
did it make sense no I know he would say

1493
01:04:21,999 --> 01:04:20,599
it made absolutely somebody said oh here

1494
01:04:25,059 --> 01:04:22,009
we go no it's not shame but this one

1495
01:04:28,089 --> 01:04:25,069
says in part each of us needs to be

1496
01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:28,099
connected to nature for 2009 to feel at

1497
01:04:33,339 --> 01:04:31,369
peace so there we go 40 predictions

1498
01:04:35,049 --> 01:04:33,349
probably some okra says some predictions

1499
01:04:37,089 --> 01:04:35,059
which have multiple prediction some of

1500
01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:37,099
actions that are not prediction some

1501
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:38,749
predictions are not predictions but our

1502
01:04:44,229 --> 01:04:41,210
best research could find that they got

1503
01:04:46,479 --> 01:04:44,239
roughly ten percent right and that's

1504
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:46,489
being generous with some mum it was bad

1505
01:04:53,799 --> 01:04:49,729
yeah so this gives a I'm gonna you know

1506
01:04:55,959 --> 01:04:53,809
how you know the if you bet on horse as

1507
01:04:58,180 --> 01:04:55,969
you get prizes for the first three

1508
01:05:00,940 --> 01:04:58,190
horses in certain combinations but you

1509
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:00,950
also get because it's so unlikely that

1510
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:02,450
you'll get the last one you also get

1511
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:04,249
something for the last one oh yeah i

1512
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:06,140
would say they've beaten chance

1513
01:05:13,569 --> 01:05:11,210
so magnificent by only gonna take they

1514
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,579
should get a bed spoon oh sorry i

1515
01:05:17,170 --> 01:05:14,960
wouldn'ta wouldn't fit well together

1516
01:05:18,849 --> 01:05:17,180
with this way because tempered how can

1517
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:18,859
you get ten percent I mean it requires a

1518
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:20,569
special effort I mean if you just make

1519
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,089
predictions that make sense you will get

1520
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:25,039
the desolation Iran because that

1521
01:05:29,230 --> 01:05:26,480
somebody's are saying you must be more

1522
01:05:30,910 --> 01:05:29,240
in connection with nature and trees well

1523
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:30,920
you must watch another prettiest watch

1524
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:33,170
the frogs and these like Hello they're

1525
01:05:36,970 --> 01:05:34,670
not making predictions it makes sense

1526
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:36,980
and they're not predictions and most of

1527
01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:38,930
the ones that they do predict which you

1528
01:05:45,460 --> 01:05:42,920
can actually just look wrong so the

1529
01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:45,470
skeptics got roughly sixty six percent

1530
01:05:49,509 --> 01:05:47,329
right now predictions the psychics ten

1531
01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:49,519
percent so the sixty-six percent love

1532
01:05:54,099 --> 01:05:51,529
include that last prediction that yes

1533
01:05:55,690 --> 01:05:54,109
yes last prediction was that we

1534
01:05:59,470 --> 01:05:55,700
predicted we'd be do better than the

1535
01:06:01,720 --> 01:05:59,480
psychic okay so there were some major

1536
01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:01,730
events that happened in 2009 Richard

1537
01:06:07,329 --> 01:06:05,630
that we thought we should um oh here it

1538
01:06:10,059 --> 01:06:07,339
is yes that some of the things that they

1539
01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:10,069
obviously missed a big event for us you

1540
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:12,230
would expect if you had our capability

1541
01:06:15,999 --> 01:06:14,000
but I mean but you think is you're

1542
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:16,009
focusing on little things ok I'll let

1543
01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:17,359
you tell you go with that first before I

1544
01:06:22,359 --> 01:06:20,750
make my comment all right now these are

1545
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:22,369
the things that we expected to see in

1546
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:24,140
the pages of the psychic directory to

1547
01:06:30,370 --> 01:06:27,920
warn us all for the the year 2009 the

1548
01:06:32,589 --> 01:06:30,380
first and foremost would probably be

1549
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:32,599
Black Saturday in Australia which is one

1550
01:06:37,329 --> 01:06:34,910
of the worst natural bush fires in

1551
01:06:39,279 --> 01:06:37,339
Australia's history hundreds hundreds of

1552
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:39,289
people dead count on the surrounding

1553
01:06:44,499 --> 01:06:41,380
towns wiped off the face of the map

1554
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,509
natural disaster beyond belief horrible

1555
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:47,119
Thank psychics for warning us all the

1556
01:06:52,109 --> 01:06:50,000
tsunami that happened in Samoa Thank You

1557
01:06:55,089 --> 01:06:52,119
psychics for warning us all about that

1558
01:06:56,650 --> 01:06:55,099
Nathan Rees out the former premier who

1559
01:06:58,359 --> 01:06:56,660
has just dumped the other day and

1560
01:07:00,099 --> 01:06:58,369
Malcolm Turnbull the leader of the

1561
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:00,109
Opposition federally who has just dumped

1562
01:07:05,499 --> 01:07:03,920
the other week hello psychics nope all

1563
01:07:06,819 --> 01:07:05,509
right no they all they said was Kevin

1564
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,829
Mike we get into trouble they didn't

1565
01:07:11,410 --> 01:07:08,960
mention wrong yea though I have to say

1566
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:11,420
here that there was a prediction saying

1567
01:07:15,009 --> 01:07:13,250
that a blonde woman in Australia will be

1568
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:15,019
moving up the ranks in politics and we

1569
01:07:19,330 --> 01:07:16,609
had to give them a point for that we did

1570
01:07:23,860 --> 01:07:19,340
hear other algebraic

1571
01:07:28,570 --> 01:07:23,870
really yeah yeah sorta yeah externally

1572
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:28,580
but also also Bronwyn Bishop has made a

1573
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:30,770
return to the front the shadow tell you

1574
01:07:36,460 --> 01:07:34,210
it's goin all right continuous I agree

1575
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,470
Australians received most Australians

1576
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:38,000
received nine hundred dollars here from

1577
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:39,590
the government as part of the stimulus

1578
01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:41,570
package good at me I think that's a big

1579
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:43,640
deal that I would like to have been told

1580
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:45,220
about so i can find my budget yeah

1581
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:48,110
barack obama wins the nobel peace prize

1582
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:51,230
nobody saw that coming nobody suspect

1583
01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:52,310
the psychics what i was saying you

1584
01:07:57,250 --> 01:07:54,680
wouldn't expect man no psychics warned

1585
01:08:00,400 --> 01:07:57,260
the poor people in the jakarta hotel

1586
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:00,410
about the bombing eight dead or the

1587
01:08:05,770 --> 01:08:03,380
various bombs in your in baghdad of

1588
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:05,780
course that happen quite often alexandra

1589
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:07,490
21 dead just the other just the other

1590
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:08,930
day they would have picked that because

1591
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:10,670
that's a bit like the one here that said

1592
01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:12,440
Pakistan will get rid of the extra yes

1593
01:08:16,420 --> 01:08:15,260
yeah hbu no car bombs in in Baghdad

1594
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:16,430
would be feel like you would expect

1595
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:18,290
something like that at least at least

1596
01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:19,600
they could tell them when and where

1597
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:22,609
there's been a big influx influx of

1598
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,890
refugees heading for Australia this year

1599
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:27,440
there was water found on the moon they

1600
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:29,810
didn't mention that no Michael Jackson

1601
01:08:35,770 --> 01:08:33,770
died which rebecca watson predict

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rebecca watson predicted that last year

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on s yeah but nowhere in this psychic

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directory of Australia's top psychics

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did anyone predict don't lean a psychic

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as rebecca watson major health reforms

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in the United States a media over

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Indonesia which exploded up in the

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atmosphere that was quite something the

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chaser TV show in here in Australia was

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taken off the air for a couple of weeks

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for outrageous comments the hey hey it's

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saturday show made a big comeback but

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caused huge controversy with their one

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of their routines with the people in

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blackface so that can white mean strike

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and white minstrels and last Tiger Woods

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oh they didn't get that one now we

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probably miss some you know I'm sure we

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do but I think I what I wanted to say

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earlier was that you see you're focusing

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on all these things and they're all okay

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they're prominent and all that but

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they're not nearly as important as being

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in touch with nature and watching the

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fava beans

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of course what was i thinking wasn't the

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one in here Richard about there will be

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tremors down there wesco yes America

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there is one there somewhere tremors on

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the west coast of America is that

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happening I think it's here now that

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that couldn't that couldn't be true no I

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know I was here so much it's there

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somewhere they predict that it will call

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the Sun address fault that's why we can

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be very that's what we call him

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Australia duh I wish I could find it was

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hilarious last night when I was laughing

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at it this is another really obvious one

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you know a no-brainer Obama will bring

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about the breakdown of a lot of

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America's old attitudes and rigid

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structures ! he will be effective in

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bringing about massive changes globally

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and will be instrumental in helping Iraq

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to become an independent country that's

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like the San Andreas Fault Line isn't it

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it's just it's just embarrassing but at

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the beginning of this article they talk

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about the previous year's predictions

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and talk about the hits they got so

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we're going to hang on to this rich in

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and at the beginning of 210 I want to

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see what they claim they got right

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compared to what we say they got right

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I'd be interested to see what they say

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in the 2010 we just do it yeah that'll

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be out soon actually it should be it'll

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be out soon well well done psychics I

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predict I predict you get the booby

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prize I predict and I predicted this at

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the beginning of the year the next week

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will be another skeptic zone did you put

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it don't dude I need an every week this

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year there has been a skeptic sir hmm

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which is that's okay that's still a hit

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yeah t I got it right because next week

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hasn't happened yet who hasn't happened

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I'd like to think dr. Rachel done up for

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being with us tonight in the think tank

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thank you Richard I love this segment of

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the show it's so much fun thank you once

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01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:26,420
again thank you written it's great to

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hear from our friends and colleagues in

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Finland and the Netherlands and until

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01:11:35,979 --> 01:11:33,380
next time on the think tank which might

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01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:35,989
be a good few weeks away because though

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01:11:40,340 --> 01:11:37,910
we're having a little bit of a a summer

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01:11:42,980 --> 01:11:40,350
series coming up or winter series of

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01:12:05,540 --> 01:11:42,990
in North America it's goodbye from the

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01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:05,550
think tank glasses this is desiree shell

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01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:10,350
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1685
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:13,770
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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:17,970
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01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:33,490
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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:40,770
busily getting ready for Tam Australia I

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01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:43,530
know it's almost a year away but that

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01:12:48,980 --> 01:12:45,960
year will go quick I'm sure and you can

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01:12:51,230 --> 01:12:48,990
help us by helping the skeptics guide to

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01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,240
the universe all five of them are coming

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:53,760
out for the tam Australia and I think

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01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:55,050
they need your help we need your help

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01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:06,600
Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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